Did Snape Read Harry's Mind in the Sorcerer's Stone
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On that aforementioned note I take still been wondering if Snape cared for Harry. I mean, I know that particular line was for Lily merely did Snape also intendance for her son?
I exercise not think he cared about him merely he cared enough not to agree with Dumbledore's plan for the greater good and he cared enough in the cease, that Harry would not think bad of him. I think that it is very impportant, that at the end, Snape asks Harry to take his memories. It is every bit if he is request for his forgiveness.
What bound him to Harry was his loyalty to Dumbledore and the hope he made to protect Lily's son, that she did not dice in vain.
It was always Lily for him.
The scene you refer to is complicated, but information technology'southward his memory (if I think correctly) that he gives Harry when he dies. He and Dumbledore are talking almost several things at one time including Dumbledore asking him to kill him so Malfoy doesn't have to have that on his conscience (and because he'southward dying anyway), and to protect Harry until the correct time. "For the love yous bore Lily," Dumbledore implores, skillfully not mentioning James. "You can't tell anyone!" Snape asks, referring to that love, and Dumbledore says, "After all this time?" meaning yous still love her all these years later? Then Snape shows the patronus as proof and says "Ever."
And so, he's conspicuously talking about Lily at that point. He will protect Harry because of that honey.
Every bit for Harry naming his child later Snape, that has nothing to exercise with caring for Harry. It has everything to do with Harry respecting what Snape did for him on behalf of his female parent and the love Severus had for her.
I retrieve he was such an interesting grapheme because he represented the ongoing theme in the book that love is our redemption. Snape was not necessarily a kind person, or a friendly person, or a warm person; just his love for Lily motivated him to do good in the world instead of allowing his hard past to justify his doing evil whatsoever longer. Voldemort lacked this necessary transformative love. The Malfoys, though notwithstanding atrocious people, were redeemed past the tremendous love they had for one another. They were more important to one another than any evil scheme. Snape's love for Lily is what keeps him fighting for what is right, as she would've done if she were still live.
I don't recall Snape loved Harry independently of his mother; I think he looked too much similar his father and shared some of his qualities that all the same made Snape feel biting that Lily could have chosen James. Snape did, notwithstanding, intendance for his welfare on Lily'due south behalf, more than he cared nearly him defeating Voldemort/evil. This explains his horror and feeling of betrayal when Dumbledore reveals what Harry'due south fate must be. He did not go along Lily's son condom, just for him to die at the right time, no matter what the overarching cause.
I loved that Harry named a son later him considering it best-selling that love and nobility come in many forms and that Severus Snape, whatsoever his flaws were, was a brave man motivated by a very powerful beloved.
Likewise didn't Dumbledore know that snape loved Lily already meaning that Dumbledore wouldn't be asking "after all this time?" about Lily because he already knew snape loved her? I'm not certain of that though.
Anna's correct about him not being a friendly person for case Hermione and Ron had aught to exercise with James yet Snape treated them badly for no reason and he was e'er so hateful to Harry.
I disagree completely. He despised James and Harry reminded him of James. He kept him rubber because of Lily, merely at that place was no affection whatsoever for Harry on the part of Severus.
Snape protected Harry because of his love for Lily.
Merely Snape likewise hated James considering of his honey for Lily and hated Harry because he was so much like James. In that manner, he hated Harry for the same reason he protected him. And dear'southward a powerful motive - far more powerful than logic, ascertainment, or even truth.
I hold with the theory that Snape probably knew, on some level, that Harry's nature is more like Lily'due south. Simply he would never acknowledge that enough to feel affection for Harry. If he ever noted whatsoever of Harry's beliefs that is like Lily, he would block it out. To feel his beloved for Lily and his hate for James all towards one person would probable make him explode, so he chose detest.
I think that Snape both cared for, and hated Harry Potter. The reason that he hated him is obvious, he looks just similar James Potter, and since James got Lily, and bullied Snape for years, that prevents any true honey from forming. Withal, I do remember that he grew to care for Harry in his own way. Yep, I'g sure 99 percent of it was for Lily, only he was truly upset when Harry was in danger. I call back that fifty-fifty though Harry reminded Snape of James so much, part of him was also similar Lily, and Snape loved Lily. I'm sure the traits that Harry inherited from Lily resulted in Snape caring a little for Harry Potter..
I think he by and large just likes bullying his students and Gryffindors.
But, Neville, poor Neville. he could take been the Called 1. After Snape heard that Neville was the other boy that could have fit the prophecy, he realized that if Voldemort had picked him, Lily would still be alive. But no, Voldemort went for the half-blood like himself rather than the pure-claret. How could Snape not hate him? It's misplaced, yep, but that's why he hated Neville.
I like to recollect he kept Harry at a distance because it made it easier to expect later him. Dumbledore warned Snape that Voldemort was non expressionless and that Harry even so needed protection. If he got shut to Harry and he did become killed information technology would accept been like losing Lilly all over again.
On the other paw, in the scene where Dumbledore asks if Snape has grown to care for the boy, Snape seems irate. His response is along the lines of "For him!" so he produces the patronus which shows his love for Lily. Maybe he couldn't get over his hatred of James after all :/
Harry, on the other hand, while sharing his begetter's penchant for staying in problem and under-performing in his classes, was far more than of an introvert than his dad. Introverts get together, at nigh, one or 2 Close friends, and keep others at arms' length, which is precisely what Harry did. Extroverts tend to herd for the purpose of showing a sense of acclimation into society and the power and safety that comes with numbers. And Harry was FAR from being a great and a show-off. He certainly wasn't a womanizer and a flirt. He had little interest in being "cool" or accruing trophies. James, on the other hand, was "cool" and had trophies.
How James Potter didn't stop up in Slytherin is beyond me. He was a thoroughly evil man, who exhibited malevolence that merely unbridled extroversion can produce. Snape was correct when he told Harry just how bad his father was. It is no wonder he disgusted Lily at get-go.
From Snape's perspective, the perspective of an introvert, it is part of life to see the girl spin away from you and gravitate toward the "superstar". It's merely natural. Women are attracted to power and social stability. Extroverts typically take both. Introverts only hope they will choose wisely equally possible. For Snape, James was the worst possible choice. He hadn't earned Lily'south love. And James only seemed interested in exploiting those who were different.
James Potter would have fabricated a good politician.
Are you kidding? In my opinion, that is a grossly over simplified representation of James Potter. Also, your sweeping generalisation of women being attracted to power and social stability is insulting on and then many levels and, again, over simplifying what is ultimately a much more complex matter.
Snape was an adult holding onto childish prejudices and bitterness. He chose to agree those things close and protect them and it made him a strangely circuitous and petty man in many respects.
I hold with Nichola, generalizations practise not work hither. These characters were more complex and layered than that.
I have no dubiousness he loved Lily and Harry. But did he grow to love Snape? Matthew v:44 & 46-47. That is the measure of maturity and manhood to me.
I cannot see it as insulting to say women are attracted to power and social stability. It is primal. In the wild, females become to the alpha-male. On some level, human women are attracted to men in the same style. True, there are points where women fine-melody what attracts them, like preferred personality traits, superlative, or even eye-color. Just on a foundation level, women want powerful men. Women do non typically notice themselves attracted to men who is perceived as, or whom club has labeled as weak and impotent.
And perhaps information technology is oversimplified. It is simply my take on it, being introverted myself and certainly finding myself in sympathy more than with Snape than with James. If anyone doesn't like my contribution, they are abundantly gratis to skip over it.
If yous volition permit me a segue, I find it interesting that I agree with Jeni as to why Snape disliked Harry. Too much about Harry reminded him of James. The thing I don't understand is why Snape as well seemingly disliked Hermione. She was deep, bright, well-read, well-studied, excelled in her classes. Information technology was my stance that such devotion to the intellectual side of magic was something Snape valued. Was it considering she was Gryffindor? Such prejudices should not have been tolerated past teachers. Why did Snape never really give Hermione credit where it was due?
Can anyone enlighten me on this?
Past the manner, James Potter grew upward.
How right you are.
Thanks.
I accept no doubt he loved Lily and Harry. Just did he grow to love Snape? Matthew v:44 & 46-47. That is the measure of maturity and manhood to me.
I cannot meet it equally insulting to say w..."
It's insulting because you are generalising. There are many other proposed models of why women are attracted to sure people not simply the whole 'cardinal instincts' example. If y'all had said SOME women then it wouldn't be quite as insulting but to say women in general is a huge sweeping statement.
I think Snape disliked Hermione considering she was in Griffindor. Information technology was an quondam prejudice from when he was a member of Slytherin. I think information technology does mention somewhere in 1 of the books that Snape dislikes all of Griffindor and was always horrible to them in his classes. Besides she was a expert friends with Harry, I don't retrieve Snape e'er acted in the most rational manner, I suspect it was guilt through association.
The eyes are the window to the soul and everyone who met Harry saw Lily's optics and they on some hidden level connected Harry'due south character to Lily'south. They recognized that although some of his actions might take been alike to something James would exercise for arrogant reasons, he did it for other reasons. The reasons his female parent would choose.
Snape would non/could non come across this until the end when he demanded to look Harry in the optics, Lily's optics. Maybe it was to painful for him to see this before. Maybe for him it was easier to recollect of Harry as James and hate him. But the last thing he saw was Lily's optics in the face of Harry, and in my little romantic/ hopeful heart, I think he saw at that moment who Harry really was.
Or at least that's what I think :) Snape was such a tragic and complex character to read about. I nonetheless weep whenever I read virtually his death. I don't even cry for Dumbledore anymore.
snape hated harry because of something harry couldn't help, (looking similar james,) but connected to "protect him," (albeit lots of persuading and frequent reminders of his expressionless love,) since he couldn't let go of the past. that was my problem with snape: he chose to alive in memories instead of facing what was actually happening, which concluded up losing lupin a stable job, wreaking fear in his students for unnecessary reasons, and the reason that he almost handed sirius over to dementors when he knew sirius was an innocent man.
haha, hey, remember that time snape begged voldemort to impale baby harry and james in guild to spare lily?! honey that guy!!! what a hero!!!!
It's very showing that when asked a direct question about Harry, the response is bringing up 1 of his parents, this time Lily. Snape never wanted to actually know Harry as an individual.
it'south evident that snape never let go of the by considering his favorite pastime is bullying a kid who looked like his father, (among others.)
james potter risked his life, he chose to go concord back voldemort wandless KNOWING he would die, if it meant lily and harry had extra time to escape. if that isn't dear to you lot, then you are insane.
That makes it sound as if Lily had no choice in the matter and was simply a matter for James and Snape to fight over, and that James 'took' Lily purely to spite Snape. Which was partly Snape'southward problem, I call up - he couldn't get past the fact that Lily chose James over him, or that fifty-fifty if James hadn't been there, Lily still might not have called him.
And James wasn't all bad, even at seventeen. He was loyal to his friends, which is a characteristic I think Harry shares.
I think Snape felt a certain duty or responsibility to Harry because he was Lily's son and The Male child Who Lived, simply I don't think he cared at all for Harry as a person in his own right. How could he - he didn't actually know Harry as a person.
James was a bang-up as a schoolboy, simply he grew up, as others accept said. Snape was a bully as an adult, and he bullied children.
Despite this, I think he did grow to intendance for Harry, begrudgingly and probably refused to admit it to himself.
Of form he was very loyal to Lily and protected Harry due to his love of her and her memory. I also think he saw so much of James in Harry that it caused him to be bitter and extremely antagonistic towards him.
Peradventure I but like to see the best in people, but I do think there was a small function of Snape that felt a twinge of a sort of paternal protectiveness over Harry. Harry could accept been his son if things were different later all.
That beingness said, I found Snape far more likeable in the movies than in the books.
Wow, I never thought of that. That makes a lot of sense, really.
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