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Annika When Dumbledore asks Snape whether he has come to care for Harry, and Snape shows his patronus, Dumbledore says, "Subsequently all this fourth dimension?", and Snape answers, "Always". This has caused endless debates between my siblings and I. Does Snape treat Harry or simply Lily?

Jeni Lily. His patronus is a doe, like hers.

Cee Marie The thing with this is whenever I read this office I tin can't fifty-fifty see how they could be talking nigh Lily. Well, I can see it but information technology seems more than logical that he is talking near Harry. However I know it's Lily and later so much time of hearing the word "Always" in romantic connotation I but made the conclusion that it's Lily. JK Rowling had a great line but should take been a piddling clearer.
On that aforementioned note I take still been wondering if Snape cared for Harry. I mean, I know that particular line was for Lily merely did Snape also intendance for her son?

Frenchie I recall Lily was the true honey of his life. Harry, on the other hand, was her son, yeah, but also James', his arch enemy.
I exercise not think he cared about him merely he cared enough not to agree with Dumbledore's plan for the greater good and he cared enough in the cease, that Harry would not think bad of him. I think that it is very impportant, that at the end, Snape asks Harry to take his memories. It is every bit if he is request for his forgiveness.
What bound him to Harry was his loyalty to Dumbledore and the hope he made to protect Lily's son, that she did not dice in vain.
It was always Lily for him.

Cee Marie Then I guess Snape did intendance for Harry in an odd sort of style. Harry was the reminder of what Snape couldn't accept. It probably didn't help Harry that he looked like James too. But every bit you said at the end he displayed acts of kindness. I judge Sanpe was just one bitter dude who realized his mistakes at the stop. Or mayhap he just didn't reveal his feelings until they were inconsequential. And Snape had to like Harry kind of or else he wouldn't have named his kid after him!!!!!

Jeni I don't think Snape liked Harry at all, only out of respect for Lily, he protected him as much equally possible. A lot of his deportment were for bear witness, but at the heart of it, he looked similar James and Snape hated James.

The scene you refer to is complicated, but information technology'southward his memory (if I think correctly) that he gives Harry when he dies. He and Dumbledore are talking almost several things at one time including Dumbledore asking him to kill him so Malfoy doesn't have to have that on his conscience (and because he'southward dying anyway), and to protect Harry until the correct time. "For the love yous bore Lily," Dumbledore implores, skillfully not mentioning James. "You can't tell anyone!" Snape asks, referring to that love, and Dumbledore says, "After all this time?" meaning yous still love her all these years later? Then Snape shows the patronus as proof and says "Ever."

And so, he's conspicuously talking about Lily at that point. He will protect Harry because of that honey.

Every bit for Harry naming his child later Snape, that has nothing to exercise with caring for Harry. It has everything to do with Harry respecting what Snape did for him on behalf of his female parent and the love Severus had for her.


Ayah I am sure that Snape detested Harry but as Frenchie said Snape did ask for forgiveness in the end.

sim Uhm. Duh.

Anna I ever thought it was quite clear that when Dumbledore asks Snape if he's upset almost Harry's fate considering he'due south come to care most him and Snape roars back, him?? and casts the doe patronus, that it's Snape saying no, it'southward nevertheless because I love her, it'southward always been about her.

I retrieve he was such an interesting grapheme because he represented the ongoing theme in the book that love is our redemption. Snape was not necessarily a kind person, or a friendly person, or a warm person; just his love for Lily motivated him to do good in the world instead of allowing his hard past to justify his doing evil whatsoever longer. Voldemort lacked this necessary transformative love. The Malfoys, though notwithstanding atrocious people, were redeemed past the tremendous love they had for one another. They were more important to one another than any evil scheme. Snape's love for Lily is what keeps him fighting for what is right, as she would've done if she were still live.

I don't recall Snape loved Harry independently of his mother; I think he looked too much similar his father and shared some of his qualities that all the same made Snape feel biting that Lily could have chosen James. Snape did, notwithstanding, intendance for his welfare on Lily'due south behalf, more than he cared nearly him defeating Voldemort/evil. This explains his horror and feeling of betrayal when Dumbledore reveals what Harry'due south fate must be. He did not go along Lily's son condom, just for him to die at the right time, no matter what the overarching cause.

I loved that Harry named a son later him considering it best-selling that love and nobility come in many forms and that Severus Snape, whatsoever his flaws were, was a brave man motivated by a very powerful beloved.


Brittney Snape cares for Harry because she is Lily'due south son. She sacrificed herself to save him and Snape would do his all-time to brand certain his ONE True LOVE's dying wish is carried out. If Harry dies Lily will have died in vein. Information technology would have all been for null.

Sorrel I always thought that he cared for him a lilliputian, I mean most people care for everyone just a trivial. Like, you would not be unaffected if you saw someone die in front of you. And as Snape isn't heartless (as proven at the end) then he would accept cared for Harry on some level as a person who is live. However, I also practice think he cared for him on another level as well for although he looked like James he wasn't like James in every respect. Like James bullying Snape the style he did, Harry wouldn't do that. I think in the end he saw this, knew that he knew information technology all along and when he says "You accept your female parent's eyes" as he'due south dying it's sort of saying, you lot're not completely like James who was my arch enemy- you are a footling similar Lily who was the love of my life. Therefore he cares for the parts of Harry's personality that are similar Lily. Funny, but I e'er thought the "After all this time?" part was about Harry and showing Lily'south patronus was showing his dedication to both of them- reminding Dumbledore that he loved Lily and and then information technology is not implausible that he came to care for Harry.

Likewise didn't Dumbledore know that snape loved Lily already meaning that Dumbledore wouldn't be asking "after all this time?" about Lily because he already knew snape loved her? I'm not certain of that though.


Ayah Anna wrote: "I always thought it was quite clear that when Dumbledore asks Snape if he'southward upset about Harry'southward fate because he's come to care well-nigh him and Snape roars back, him?? and casts the doe patronus, that..."

Anna's correct about him not being a friendly person for case Hermione and Ron had aught to exercise with James yet Snape treated them badly for no reason and he was e'er so hateful to Harry.


Autumn He hated Harry because he was James's son, simply he loved Lily enough to keep him live.

Arden he cared for harry cause he was in love with lily and in some ways, harry was his lily afterwards she died.

Jeni aLi **candle lover** wrote: "he cared for harry cause he was in love with lily and in some ways, harry was his lily after she died."

I disagree completely. He despised James and Harry reminded him of James. He kept him rubber because of Lily, merely at that place was no affection whatsoever for Harry on the part of Severus.


Leon RE I remember deep inside he did treat Harry, otherwise he wouldn't take tried to help him so much, only superficially, he may have despised or felt threatened by Harry because he reminded him of James and assumed he might behave similar James did, simply as Dumbledore said, Harry'south truthful nature was more than like Lily's, and I recollect Severus subconsciously knew that, only I call up he bullied Harry every bit a mode to get back at James, because Harry represented the epitome of James, then he took satisfaction in bullying him.

Julia I don't call up information technology's possible for Snape to intendance for Harry. He would never allow himself see anything in Harry that's skilful.

Snape protected Harry because of his love for Lily.
Merely Snape likewise hated James considering of his honey for Lily and hated Harry because he was so much like James. In that manner, he hated Harry for the same reason he protected him. And dear'southward a powerful motive - far more powerful than logic, ascertainment, or even truth.

I hold with the theory that Snape probably knew, on some level, that Harry's nature is more like Lily'due south. Simply he would never acknowledge that enough to feel affection for Harry. If he ever noted whatsoever of Harry's beliefs that is like Lily, he would block it out. To feel his beloved for Lily and his hate for James all towards one person would probable make him explode, so he chose detest.


Graywaren I think in the book Rowling intended the patronus to only mean Lily and, as others have said, Snape only protected Harry out of his love for Lily, guilt, and demand for redemption. Even so, ane of the things I enjoy is that you can really swoop into all sorts of theories well-nigh the motivations for his deportment and make a case for quite a few different things including Snape harboring some type of care and affection for Harry. Every bit someone who reads fan fiction, I actually savour reading stories where talented writers take what is in the books and plow it on its caput or where they explore all the possible motivations for the actions and attitudes of Snape.

k Both.

I think that Snape both cared for, and hated Harry Potter. The reason that he hated him is obvious, he looks just similar James Potter, and since James got Lily, and bullied Snape for years, that prevents any true honey from forming. Withal, I do remember that he grew to care for Harry in his own way. Yep, I'g sure 99 percent of it was for Lily, only he was truly upset when Harry was in danger. I call back that fifty-fifty though Harry reminded Snape of James so much, part of him was also similar Lily, and Snape loved Lily. I'm sure the traits that Harry inherited from Lily resulted in Snape caring a little for Harry Potter..


Ayah Only whats the reason for him beingness horrible to Ron Hermione and Nevile

Leon RE Ayah wrote: "But whats the reason for him being horrible to Ron Hermione and Nevile"

I think he by and large just likes bullying his students and Gryffindors.


Jeni Ron and Hermione assist Harry, therefore they are fair game for actress bullying.

But, Neville, poor Neville. he could take been the Called 1. After Snape heard that Neville was the other boy that could have fit the prophecy, he realized that if Voldemort had picked him, Lily would still be alive. But no, Voldemort went for the half-blood like himself rather than the pure-claret. How could Snape not hate him? It's misplaced, yep, but that's why he hated Neville.


k I call back those were the parts of Harry that Snape didn't like that reminded him of James. He was popular, and had lots of friends, and Snape was kinda a loner. I think he was quite envious/jealous of Harry, cause information technology was exactly the opposite of how he was in school.

Nichola I think Snape was conflicted with regards to Harry. He looked like his male parent and then Snape was determined to assume (and prove) that he was the next generation of James Potter. Given how long he had been in love with Lily it must have pained him to see her looking dorsum at him through Harry's eyes.

I like to recollect he kept Harry at a distance because it made it easier to expect later him. Dumbledore warned Snape that Voldemort was non expressionless and that Harry even so needed protection. If he got shut to Harry and he did become killed information technology would accept been like losing Lilly all over again.

On the other paw, in the scene where Dumbledore asks if Snape has grown to care for the boy, Snape seems irate. His response is along the lines of "For him!" so he produces the patronus which shows his love for Lily. Maybe he couldn't get over his hatred of James after all :/


Wm. Scott Conway While the whole material was excellent, I think Rowling was cartoon an unrealistic film. The kind of relationship James and Severus had was at once the same kind of say-so human relationship seen in school where the extrovert dominates the introvert. James was a bang-up, apparently and simple. And Severus was the blunt of many of his jokes.

Harry, on the other hand, while sharing his begetter's penchant for staying in problem and under-performing in his classes, was far more than of an introvert than his dad. Introverts get together, at nigh, one or 2 Close friends, and keep others at arms' length, which is precisely what Harry did. Extroverts tend to herd for the purpose of showing a sense of acclimation into society and the power and safety that comes with numbers. And Harry was FAR from being a great and a show-off. He certainly wasn't a womanizer and a flirt. He had little interest in being "cool" or accruing trophies. James, on the other hand, was "cool" and had trophies.

How James Potter didn't stop up in Slytherin is beyond me. He was a thoroughly evil man, who exhibited malevolence that merely unbridled extroversion can produce. Snape was correct when he told Harry just how bad his father was. It is no wonder he disgusted Lily at get-go.

From Snape's perspective, the perspective of an introvert, it is part of life to see the girl spin away from you and gravitate toward the "superstar". It's merely natural. Women are attracted to power and social stability. Extroverts typically take both. Introverts only hope they will choose wisely equally possible. For Snape, James was the worst possible choice. He hadn't earned Lily'south love. And James only seemed interested in exploiting those who were different.

James Potter would have fabricated a good politician.


Nichola Wm. Scott wrote: "While the whole material was excellent, I recall Rowling was cartoon an unrealistic motion picture. The kind of relationship James and Severus had was at one time the aforementioned kind of authorisation relationship seen in s..."

Are you kidding? In my opinion, that is a grossly over simplified representation of James Potter. Also, your sweeping generalisation of women being attracted to power and social stability is insulting on and then many levels and, again, over simplifying what is ultimately a much more complex matter.


Jeni It doesn't fifty-fifty matter what James was similar as a kid because he grew up. He made decisions that helped mature him and loved Lily and Harry without question. And then, he died for them.

Snape was an adult holding onto childish prejudices and bitterness. He chose to agree those things close and protect them and it made him a strangely circuitous and petty man in many respects.

I hold with Nichola, generalizations practise not work hither. These characters were more complex and layered than that.


Wm. Scott Conway Interesting.

I have no dubiousness he loved Lily and Harry. But did he grow to love Snape? Matthew v:44 & 46-47. That is the measure of maturity and manhood to me.

I cannot see it as insulting to say women are attracted to power and social stability. It is primal. In the wild, females become to the alpha-male. On some level, human women are attracted to men in the same style. True, there are points where women fine-melody what attracts them, like preferred personality traits, superlative, or even eye-color. Just on a foundation level, women want powerful men. Women do non typically notice themselves attracted to men who is perceived as, or whom club has labeled as weak and impotent.

And perhaps information technology is oversimplified. It is simply my take on it, being introverted myself and certainly finding myself in sympathy more than with Snape than with James. If anyone doesn't like my contribution, they are abundantly gratis to skip over it.

If yous volition permit me a segue, I find it interesting that I agree with Jeni as to why Snape disliked Harry. Too much about Harry reminded him of James. The thing I don't understand is why Snape as well seemingly disliked Hermione. She was deep, bright, well-read, well-studied, excelled in her classes. Information technology was my stance that such devotion to the intellectual side of magic was something Snape valued. Was it considering she was Gryffindor? Such prejudices should not have been tolerated past teachers. Why did Snape never really give Hermione credit where it was due?

Can anyone enlighten me on this?


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Severus Snape, for virtually of his life, cared for Lily and Lily alone. It's been a while since I read Harry Potter, merely aren't in that location a few times where Snape avoids eye contact with Harry? I recollect this is because he wants to child himself that Harry looks exactly like his rival, James. It's only when he dies that he finally realizes how he feels of Harry, because he wants to see Lily's eyes as the last thing he sees before he dies.

Past the manner, James Potter grew upward.


Autumn Shahdia wrote: "Severus Snape, for most of his life, cared for Lily and Lily alone. Information technology's been a while since I read Harry Potter, but aren't at that place a few times where Snape avoids eye contact with Harry? I call up this..."
How right you are.

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Autbenj1 wrote: "Shahdia wrote: "Severus Snape, for most of his life, cared for Lily and Lily alone. Information technology's been a while since I read Harry Potter, just aren't there a few times where Snape avoids eye contact with Ha..."

Thanks.


Nichola Wm. Scott wrote: "Interesting.

I accept no doubt he loved Lily and Harry. Just did he grow to love Snape? Matthew v:44 & 46-47. That is the measure of maturity and manhood to me.

I cannot meet it equally insulting to say w..."

It's insulting because you are generalising. There are many other proposed models of why women are attracted to sure people not simply the whole 'cardinal instincts' example. If y'all had said SOME women then it wouldn't be quite as insulting but to say women in general is a huge sweeping statement.

I think Snape disliked Hermione considering she was in Griffindor. Information technology was an quondam prejudice from when he was a member of Slytherin. I think information technology does mention somewhere in 1 of the books that Snape dislikes all of Griffindor and was always horrible to them in his classes. Besides she was a expert friends with Harry, I don't retrieve Snape e'er acted in the most rational manner, I suspect it was guilt through association.


J.M. Guillen Corking discussion. I tin can't assistance but promise that Snape cared for Harry, and that the scene with the memories was a way of asking for forgiveness and understanding.

Natascha Snape was not a good person but his beloved for Lily is the defining factor. He went out of his fashion to help Harry, for Lilly'southward sake. But when I reread the novels the leidmotief of Harry'due south eyes is an of import factor to take into business relationship, every bit some commenters have already mentioned.
The eyes are the window to the soul and everyone who met Harry saw Lily's optics and they on some hidden level connected Harry'due south character to Lily'south. They recognized that although some of his actions might take been alike to something James would exercise for arrogant reasons, he did it for other reasons. The reasons his female parent would choose.
Snape would non/could non come across this until the end when he demanded to look Harry in the optics, Lily's optics. Maybe it was to painful for him to see this before. Maybe for him it was easier to recollect of Harry as James and hate him. But the last thing he saw was Lily's optics in the face of Harry, and in my little romantic/ hopeful heart, I think he saw at that moment who Harry really was.
Or at least that's what I think :) Snape was such a tragic and complex character to read about. I nonetheless weep whenever I read virtually his death. I don't even cry for Dumbledore anymore.

Iis Maryasih I think he'due south admittedly intendance to Harry. But he can't shows directly

Bekah nope, nope, nope. i've said it once, and i'll say it again, at that place's a fine line between love and obsession. what he was doing was all for LILY, non once did he take into account harry's wellbeing because it was harry. if he actually cared for him, he wouldn't have been equally abusive and hostile towards harry and his friends. having a "troubled childhood" does non in anyway alibi you from being a shit person at heart.

snape hated harry because of something harry couldn't help, (looking similar james,) but connected to "protect him," (albeit lots of persuading and frequent reminders of his expressionless love,) since he couldn't let go of the past. that was my problem with snape: he chose to alive in memories instead of facing what was actually happening, which concluded up losing lupin a stable job, wreaking fear in his students for unnecessary reasons, and the reason that he almost handed sirius over to dementors when he knew sirius was an innocent man.

haha, hey, remember that time snape begged voldemort to impale baby harry and james in guild to spare lily?! honey that guy!!! what a hero!!!!


Ericka Scott Nelson Regarding Snape being hateful to Hermione and people other than Harry, I recall it'due south important to accept in mind his double agent affair. It might be hard for Voldemort'due south sympathizers to view him as an ally if he showed general kindness and agreeability across his own business firm. A cracking deal of their knowledge of Snape would be based on reports from Slytherin students, so it was necessary for him to put on the appropriate outward bear witness, whether or not information technology corresponded with his inner feelings (which I think it probably did most of the fourth dimension).

Crystal Witten Snape never really got to know Harry, he only e'er saw Harry through the lens of Harry'southward parents. Snape has a cerebral racket with Harry. He'south so bitter about James that he refuses to blot anything that contradicts the preconceived ideas he has virtually Harry. Even discovering that Harry was bullied and neglected as a child doesn't make him question his own perceptions. One can note that Snape is an case of the bullied becomes the bully. Merely Snape is an adult lashing out at kids.

It's very showing that when asked a direct question about Harry, the response is bringing up 1 of his parents, this time Lily. Snape never wanted to actually know Harry as an individual.


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Both. He cared for both. He only showed resentment because Harry reminds him of James, who was a very cruel person and took the woman he loved. I think that when Harry acted like James (which was often), it reminded Snape of Harry's father.

Bekah @sebastion don't you EVER SAY that james "took the one snape loved away." don't yous e'er human activity similar he was only doing information technology to spite him. don't you dare fucking say he was "a vicious person." james loved lily, he grew up and he matured and realized his actions were wrong, and in the finish, snape did not. snape chose to become into the night arts and things that were confronting people like lily. she roughshod in honey with james once he stopped being a stupid teenager.

it'south evident that snape never let go of the by considering his favorite pastime is bullying a kid who looked like his father, (among others.)

james potter risked his life, he chose to go concord back voldemort wandless KNOWING he would die, if it meant lily and harry had extra time to escape. if that isn't dear to you lot, then you are insane.


Victoria Prescott Sebastian wrote: "James... was a very vicious person and took the woman he loved.... "
That makes it sound as if Lily had no choice in the matter and was simply a matter for James and Snape to fight over, and that James 'took' Lily purely to spite Snape. Which was partly Snape'southward problem, I call up - he couldn't get past the fact that Lily chose James over him, or that fifty-fifty if James hadn't been there, Lily still might not have called him.

And James wasn't all bad, even at seventeen. He was loyal to his friends, which is a characteristic I think Harry shares.

I think Snape felt a certain duty or responsibility to Harry because he was Lily's son and The Male child Who Lived, simply I don't think he cared at all for Harry as a person in his own right. How could he - he didn't actually know Harry as a person.

James was a bang-up as a schoolboy, simply he grew up, as others accept said. Snape was a bully as an adult, and he bullied children.


Bekah @victoria BLESS Y'all. I agree with everything y'all said!!

Saxonjus Snape loved Lilly & would have carried out her dying wishes.He never had dear returned every bit he wished for.Ever on the outside at Schoolhouse every bit a boy & a Professor.He acknowledged Harry was part of Lilly so he protected Harry nevertheless he also disliked Harry fir being James' son.

Somerandom I believe that in the book he roars back "no not him" when Dumby asks if he has grown to care for Harry.

Despite this, I think he did grow to intendance for Harry, begrudgingly and probably refused to admit it to himself.

Of form he was very loyal to Lily and protected Harry due to his love of her and her memory. I also think he saw so much of James in Harry that it caused him to be bitter and extremely antagonistic towards him.

Peradventure I but like to see the best in people, but I do think there was a small function of Snape that felt a twinge of a sort of paternal protectiveness over Harry. Harry could accept been his son if things were different later all.

That beingness said, I found Snape far more likeable in the movies than in the books.


Somerandom Ericka wrote: "Regarding Snape being hateful to Hermione and people other than Harry, I call up information technology's important to have in mind his double agent thing. Information technology might be hard for Voldemort's sympathizers to view him as an al..."

Wow, I never thought of that. That makes a lot of sense, really.


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By The End, He sort of does treat harry, so i would say lily and Harry.

Steven Finley I remember that he cared for Harry all forth perhaps because of lily but he cared all the same and like he said, y'all have your mothers eyes! I'g sure everytime he looked at Harry he saw lily. Also he had to show open contempt for him otherwise Voldemort would have been on to him loooooong agone. I too doubtable that when he showed dumbldore the doe patronus he was lauding to the fact that he was the one protecting Harry all these years when nosotros thought information technology was his mother's ghost doing so.

Sammy Young Just Lily

Lucy He cared almost Lily. Harry was her son but he was likewise hes was James son. Seeing Lily'due south eyes looking out of James Potter face god that would injure him bad. If he cared he cared for Lily but in away he hated that male child for having Lilys eyes but James Potter faces.

Sweta Once I read the last book, I believed Snape cared for Harry very much. He had as well much bitterness and resentment to testify his love and intendance openly for anyone, permit alone Harry. He portrays a true Slytherin all along outwardly but he does all good behind the scenes. There would be times and instances when Harry would remind him of James so much that he would give Harry hard time but then his love for Lily would win over.

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